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thank you note from the onion by tomorrow on my desk. susan, john, cornell, thank you for joining us. that's all from us tonight. remember starting monday, jk usa moves up to 6:00 p.m. eastern time. anderson cooper 360 starts right now. good evening, everyone. we begin tonight keeping them honest with the possibility that somebody somewhere is looking at sexually suggestive photos of your teenage child. you might be just as surprised as we were to learn where these pervy grown-ups are finding the images. they're being posted on a site part of the most respected publishing empires on earth. so you'd think p. we're talking about a site called read it, the people who publish new yorker, vanity fair and other magazines.
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now it's grown to be its own division. still, the same corporate parent. on its corporate blog, read it claims 300% growth in the last 15 months and more than 21 million unique visitors, some post links to stories and photos and others vote on them. the top vote getters end up on the front page. users can create pages on sunts that interest them. one is called jail bait. just let that sink in for just a moment. jail bait. here it is. it's what you see after you click yes to the question, are you 18 and older? no other verification needed. just click yes. the presumption at least is that anyone viewing this page is an adult. the girls in the images which we've blurred are not, though. ins cases you were unclear what the group is about, they have a moat t motto -- quote, keep a teen off the streets, it reads, put her in your van. over on the right there's a blush reading, welcome to the --
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no nudity. click here for more jail bait. is someone with a sexual preference for adolescence. just below the more jail bait link is a list of moderators, violent acrez, also i am anonymous coward, darkman x and religion of peace. needless to say these are not their real names, not even i am anonymous coward. understandable when you're the organizers or administrators of an online community set up xresly for grown-ups to look at photos of teenagers in bathing suits or underwear and post creepy comments about them. we're obviously not showing you the photos but some of the headlines give you a pretty good idea of what is being posted and p why. hot tub is a headline, teens at the beach, having fun with herself. at this point you might be asking where these images come from rand who gives their permission to post them. the answer is there's no way of knowing. read it list rules like don't use the word breaking. don't use all caps, don't be
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rude or correct someone's bantder. it doesn't say don't take some kid's facebook photo or your girlfriend's bikini shots online. in fact, rule number one on the list is don't post someone's personal information or links to personal information. that could be read two ways, don't violate someone's privacy by posting a name. users can be banned for violating that rule but not for posting swarmy, possibly stolen photographs. read it is not stopping them though it boasts about the good it's doing for the world. here's september 6th after splitting off from convict day nast. redity has the potential over the next generation to positively impact journal ifl, civic engagement, product development and learning. you be the judge if this fits that description. we of course wanted to know how
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r reddit and their current parent squares postings with those high-minded words about journalism and civic engagement and learning. we called the president about it and he actually sits on the board of reddit neither he or advanced publications wanted to comment and instead directed us to a general manager, eric marden. he told us, kwaet, we're a free speech site and the cost of that is there is stuff what's offe e offensive on there. he says it's a platform, not an editorial site. once we start taking down some things we find offensive, then we're no longer a free speech site and platform for everyone. in addition to jail bait there's a community called asian jail bait and one where you can see photos of dead bodies, adults and children. with me now is senior legal analyst jeffrey booken who works for the new yorker magazine, also sunny hostin, legal contributor at "in session" on trutv. is this legal, jeff?
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>> as far as i can tell. i do work there. i hadn't heard of reddit until today. i didn't see anything illegal. the pictures of the girls, it's hard to tell how old they are. many of them are clearly older than 16, 17, 18. some of them are probably younger. but all of them are clothed. i don't think there's any issue of kiddie porn, illegality. is it in good taste? is it appropriate for this or any company to be involved? that's a very different question. >> is it okay, sunny -- do you agree? >> p i'm going to disagree with him actually. i think it's borderline kiddie porn. it's very close to the line. and the bottom line is that the first amendment doesn't protect child porn. so they are read straddling that line. also, even if they aren't, don't we want them to be good p corporate citizens? what happened to decency, korms corporations doing the right thing? why would you have a web site that sexualizes young girls? i looked at a lot of the pictures and i thought they were very, very close to the child
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porn line. >> if some of these photos are just taken off somebody's facebook page, they don't even know their photo is taken, as long as they're not using their name, that's legal? >> it's possibly a civil tort, possibly something that the person whose photo was stolen might be able to sue. it would be very complicate, difficult, i doubt such a lawsuit would ever take place. but, again, i don't think that's aa crime. one thing that the president of the company says that was quite interesting and wrong, i think, is that they are a first amendment site, freedom of speech site. >> right. >> that's not true. >> no. >> the phone is a common carrier. if i say something terrible to you on the phone, you can sue me. you can't sue the phone company. web site is different. a web site automatically exercises some control. you can see they have rules there. so the idea that they have no control over their posters, thatthat a that's simply wrong. >> i think we're tired of people hiding behind the first amendment.
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it's cowardly. yes, it's there for wonderful reason and some offensive speech is frekted. kiddie porn sn not protected. again, it really, really straddles that line. >> i was surprised to learn -- i didn't know about the site, but when i heard about it, i assumed that it was just run from some site in eastern europe or some guy in his basement or living in his mom's house and dog this out of his basement. to know that this is, was under the convi day nast and now publication, it's aamazing a big corporation would have something like this which reflects badly on it. >> it certainly was amazing to me. i was unfamiliar with it. but, you know, a lot of companies want to get involved in the internet, obviously a growth part of the business. and there are big parts of reddit that have nothing to do with sex or inappropriate things. unfortunately, it's like look at all the banks i didn't rob. >> the companies need to do something and stand up, be good corporate citizens and say, i don't want to be affiliated with a site. there are pictures of dead
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babies on that site. there are pictures that pedophiles -- >> pictures just of dead people. >> yes. pedophiles are trolling those web sites and they're getting off on it. i think something has to be done about it. >> we'll continue to follow it. sunny, appreciate it. jeff toobin as well. let us know what you think at facebook, twitter. up next, herman cain's controversial statement about why african-americans vote democrat being and his jump in the poles. later, the michael jackson doctor's testimony, testimony about what he was dog as michael jackson lay dead or dying. >> anderson, as amanda knox's defense team makes their case that her murder conviction should be overturned, we'll show you photos you've never seen before, exclusive pictures taken of her inside the prison she could soon go free from or possibly spend many more years in. that and much more when "360" continues. we're america's natural gas
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raw politics now. we've been talking about president obama's uphill battle for reelection. tonight the republicans battle to finds someone, anyone to defeat him. they say democrats fall in love with a candidate and republicans
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fuel in line. this time gop vote hes have fallen in love with a string of candidatetions, the latest herman cain, winner of last week's straw poll in florida. he's winning points for saying what others won't, including his about his party and african-americans. >> why is the republican party basically poison for so many african-americans? >> because many african-americans have been brain ds washed into not being n minded, not even considering a conservative point of view. i've received vitriol because i'm running as a conservative. it's just brain washing and people not being open-minded. >> republican voters seem to be boosting cain's 0 stock right now, a fox news poll putting him in the top three behind perry and romney. let's talk about cain ace new slice of the pie, ari fleisher and former 2008 obama pollster cornell belcher.
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ari, it feels like beef seen this before, republicans being pegged as the straight talker in the race, wins a straw poll, then starts running out of steam. is it reasonable that herman cain will be any difference? >> i think the third behind perry and romney is a terribly important battle because i think it is very possible one of the two front-runner sz going to stumble. therefore whoever is in third will move p up to second, it could be cain, could be santorum. it's important to keep your eye on. when you watch cain in the debates, what gets through is he comes through as so sensible, so direct spoken, so strong. and the reforms that he proposes are structural. no tinkering in the margins. he really wants to change washington and i think that from a ceo has a lot of appeal to republican primary voters. >> cornell, cain also told wolf he could take a third of african-american votes, basing that on anecdotal evidence. is there any polling that could
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help make that case? >> first of all, do you think you're going to invite me on the show and i'm not going to talk about the ridiculousnesses of that statement? two things. one is a great way to get people on your side and win voters is to attack their intelligence. great job there. really sensible, herman cain. the second part is, it's really a teachable moment. you know, if i came on your show anderson and said, all jewish people are brainwashed, i probably wouldn't be invited back to cnn and i aassure you the condemnation would be swift and powerful and strong. what herman cain said was a racist, bigoted statement and it should treated like a racist and bigoted person who makes those statements. >> ari, what about that, saying black people have been brainwashed, how does that language play? >> i'm not even going there. i'll leave that alone. i think the downside to the herman cain candidacy are probably twofold.
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one, it's a catch-22 for him. he can't win because people think he can't win. if he continues and is just prince persistent and works the way he is and able to break through, he'll get through the hardest barrier, which is credibility because people don't think he can do it. that just comes from plugging ahead. the other i'm more focused on, is he he's never been in government before. while it's attractive on one hand, having worked in the white house, you need smn who knows how to do things with congress, get them where you want them to go. i wish he had been a successful governor, one or two-term governor. if he was, i would predict he could be the front-runner or also the front-runner in the republican race right now. >> you know, no, i'm all in on this one. ari, if he had come on and said all jewish people are brains washed, you would leave that alo alone? you wouldn't touch that but it's different if he says that about
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african-americans? why aren't you taking this on? >> i'm not taking on -- >> he's number three right now in the polls and he's getting into racial politics. >> pick your fight with herman cain. >> i consider you a friend. i'm -- >> don't pick a fight with me. >> i actually why you a friend fltd i'm not fighting you. i can't believe there's no condemnation about such a bigoted statement. >> cornell, let me just ask you. are you sure it's racist? i mean, don't plenty of people make the same comment, well, this group is brainwashed? >> what is the definition of "racism" or "bigotry"? it is in fact putting a blank statement on a whole group of people. again, anderson, i guarantee if i came on and said all jewish people were brainwashed, you wouldn't invite me back on cnn. i'm sure of that. there's a double standard here. this is a teachable moment.
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>> don't people often say, well, liberals think this or people make vast statements about groups all the time. >> well -- >> independent voters think this or -- >> well, liberals didn't have a history of jim crowe or slavery so is it's different. >> i'm not arguing with you. i'm interested in your perspective. that's why i'm probing around the edges. >> it's not argue the. i'm trying to it look at this as a teachable moment because clearly there's a double standard going on to me, and it's outrageous. >> do you think -- how do you think his statement, herlen cain's statement, are you surprised it hasn't gotten the reaction that you've had? certainly it's raised a lot of eyebrows, a lot of people are talking about it. >> that's my point. in all due respect, if he had came on the network and said all jewish people are brain washed it would have been top of the news and the condemnation would have come from all sides, including my friend ari fleisher. so my only point about this is you can't play the double standard politics. >> anderson, let me jump in.
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i'm not going to dwell on this topic, but remember the question was about people being poisoned about a party. there's a presumption in the question also that just flows from the fact that 90% to 95% of african-americans vote a certain way. but when people start throwing the word "racism" around that's when ind the conversation because you can't have an intelligent conversation when you're talking about that. i'm not going into that topic. >> when somebody mainone makes or racist common, i'm not having a problem calling them a bigot or racist. >> cornell, are you done? >> yeah, i'm done. >> let me finish. what's happening in the republican primary right now is this fascinating dynamic where there still is a search under way about who will be the leader of the republican party. republicans are thirsty for somebody who will change washington. that's my point about why i think republicans are responding
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so well to herman cain's rhetor rhetoric. washington needs fundamental changes in the taxes and changes. when you have career politicians saying i'm going to do a little less of what awas done before, it doesn't resonate. herman cain has that outside perspective, he has the downsides like i said, but i think he's somebody who has a good chance to end up in that third slot and nobody knows what can happen from there. >> cornell, what do you -- herman cain's other point beyond his use of the term "brainwa "brainwashi "brainwashing" about african-americans in large numbers voting for democrats, his point being -- i kwoewon't to make his point. it's clear that after can americans have traditionally voted democratic. to what do you attribute that? >> historically, you know, african-americans once reported republican when they could vote. you've got to understand that african-americans make policy decisions and change using reason, it's not about
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brainwashing. you know, there was still -- would it -- if i said that 70% of whites in the south vote republican, are they brainwashed? no. i think they're making a logical decision based on their values and their issue positioning. when you say a group of voters aren't making that same sort of rational thing, yeah, i think i'm right in sort of calling that p crap out. >> do you think he should apologize for that? >> you know, i don't look for an apology from had him because i don't think he has sensitivity or lingt to understand that. i think you it's amusing he's number three in the polls. quite frankly, i think he's not going to win south carolina. he's not going to win iowa and not going to win new hampshire. if you don't come in second or first in one of those early states you're not going to be the nominee for the republican party. >> do you think, cornell, that he is bigoted or that he is racist, or was the statement just in your opinion racist and inappropriate?
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>> well, i don't know anderson. when people are using bigoted statements, are they bigots? >> anderson, that's why i was making my point there. there are voter blocs who decide overwhelmingly to vote one way or another. i don't see why somebody is being racist when they say very vote overwhelmingly as a bloc and he used the word brainwashed. white southerners vote overwhelmingly in one direction. i don't find that racist. the word brainwash has the connotation of what mitt romney's father said in michigan some 40 or 50 years ago. 40 years ago. i think that's why it also raised alarms. but clearly there are blocs in this country who vote the way they do. that's been a historical pattern up and down every demographic strat ta you can divide the electorate over. that's part of america. always has been. >> cornell? >> if you say that, that's fine. but when you say that people are brainwashed a certain racial group is for doing that, that's
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the problem. >> interesting discussion. cornell, appreciate it. >> but it's not racist. >> it's bigoted. if someone is making bigoted statements, i have no problem calling them a racist or a bigot. >> that's why a lot of people stay out of politics, anderson, because one word and then somebody's accusing you of being a racist. that's what's wrong with people in politics that make things like this into racism. >> what's wrong in politics is when you don't call bigoted statements out. that's what's wrong with politics. >> if this is bigotry, we have a lot to fear. >> well, we do have a lot to fear. herm cain being number three in the polls. >> do you think he's going to address this at some point? >> of course he won't and no one with will call on him to address it. that's the beauty of it. ari fleisher, they're all defending him. i'm doubling down on this. if i came on the network and said all jewish people were brainwashed, it would be a problem. you know it and i know it.
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that's a double standard. >> when you double down on nothing, you still have nothing. i just don't consider that a credible statement. >> that's where you and i disagree, ari. you're in a position where you can think that is nothing. i historically am not in that position. >> guys, interesting discussion. appreciate you having it, cornell belcher, ari fleisher, thank you. programming note, we're announcing the arizona republican party and cnn will co-host a gop presidential debate december 1st in arizona, october 18th in it las vegas, 8:00 p.m. eastern right here on cnn. let's see if herman cain gets questions on that. still ahead, an exclusive look inside the italian prison where amanda knox has spent the last four years. also, testimony from michael jackson's doctor's trial. new details about paris jackson's heartbreaking reaction to seeing her father the day he died.
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up close tonight, an exclusive look at amanda knox behind bars in italy. matthew chance has a rare look inside the prison. more in a moment. first, what happened in court today as knox's appeal case nears the end. one of knox's lawyers says the only option is to clear her of guilt of the murder of meredith kercher because of alleged mistakes in the investigation. i says dna was contaminated and knox wasn't allowed a translator and was discouraged from getting a lawyer. the judge says there won't be a ruling until monday at the earliest. another of knox's lawyers says she's afraid but is hoping for the return to freedom. as i said, an exclusive, never before look at pictures from inside prison. a local rock band played at the
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jail. senior international correspondent matthew chance reports. >> reporter: four years behind bars for a crime she says she did not commit. but it seems amanda knox does have brief moments of escape. these are exclusive photos of knox in prison, dancing to the music of a local rock band playing to inmates. one is taken from behind as she jumps to the music, another catches her profile listening intently. >> everyone inside the jail needs moments like this. they need to escape their situations, their nightmares, their state of mind. so they're all having fun with our songs. they're all singing our songs. >> reporter: but the band members say they've become particular friends with amanda, even collaborating with her on a
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forthcoming music video. they say she also sends them poems and letters about her life behind bars. >> she's struggling a lot. i mean, she noknows this is whai can see in her letter, she knows she shouldn't be there, and she's struggling with the fact she can't be with the people she loves and she can't do the things that she loves to do. >> reporter: at court for a murder appeal, amanda looks pale and under stress as her parents watch with concern. her father told me it's taking an emotional toll. >> well, you know, it's been a struggle, this entire time being in prison, having your freedom taken away for something you haven't done. but, you know, these past few months have really been a struggle for her, just because there's the -- the light is really on at the end he of the
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tunld. >> reporter: but these images appear to capture a rare moment of joy, the pressures of a prison sentence briefly cast away. >> matthew joins us from italy. matthew, how much access is amanda knox allowed to visitors and family? >> reporter: not a great deal. she's allowed to see visitors once a week on a sunday, usually her family do that along with a friend of hers who's been moving to this place, pa ruse ya, in order to be close to her friend. so they get those visitors every week. but she also gets s people insi the jail like a local priest who's befriended her very much and has provided counsel to her, given her advice about how to get through this very tough period in her life, and that's how she manages to remain in contact with the outside world. not a great deal of contact, but there's family members and people who have befriended her in the prison and from the local church. >> what happens xt with the
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trial? >> reporter: well, the trial is very shortly coming to a conclusion. we expect on monday morning amanda knox, along with her co-accused, will give their m e pleas of innocence, they'll speak for 15 minutes each. then the jury and the judge will retire to consider their verdict. we're expecting one to come at some point later on monday afternoon. >> matthew chance in italy tonight. matthew, you thank you. now let's check in on more stories we're following. >> anderson, a federal grand jury today indicted a massachusetts man for his alleged terror plot against america. he was arrested in an undercover fbi sting yesterday. authorities say he planned to use explosive-filled remote control model airplanes to blow up the pentagon and u.s. capitol. another undercover sting today, this one near philadelphia where agents arrested more than three
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dozen employees at a boeing manufacturing plant. 23 have been charged with illegal distribution of prescription drugs, including fent owe nil, oxycodone and xanax. get ready for more bank fees beginning early next year. bank of america will charge $5 a month for purchases on your debit cards. and marilyn monroe's wedding band hits the auction block, the diamond and platinum band is expected to fetch up $500,000 when bidding opens this december. baseball great joe dimaggio the ring when they were married in 1954, divorcing less than a year later. that's the kind of surprise i'd like in my christmas stocking, anderson. >> i'll keep that in mind. coming up on "pie"piers mor tonigh tonight"," teens were convicted of murders of three 8-year-old boys, the case of the so-called west memphis three shocked america with the allegations of
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satanic rituals and murder. >> did you try to take your own life? >> yeah, you di did at one time. i took an overdose of basically sleeping pills, antidepressants just because like you said a while ago, there's no light at the end of the tunnel. it seems like there's no hope. and the pressure was so great that for a moment i lost all hope. i thought, i may spend god knows how long here going through this, and i did take an overdose of fills to try to end my life. >> don't miss piers morgan's interview with two of the men set free. top of the hour, 9:00 p.m. eastern. coming p you, day three of the michael jackson death trial, one of jackson's former employee talks about chaos before he
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crime and punishment tonight, emotional testimony in day three of the michael jackson death trial. dr. murray now facing manslaughter charges was by the pop star's side when he died two years ago. today the man who dialed 911 describes the first frantic moments before calling for help. the moment he says murray wasted cleaning up empty drug vials. also, jurors heard about jackson's oldest children walking in on the scene, and we got glixss of paris' look at her dying dad. >> reporter: as michael jackson lay dying, this man told the jury conrad murray was directing him to put the drugs away. alberto alvarez telephoned that while they waited for paramedics murray was on cleanup patrol. >> i was standing at the foot of the bed. he reached over and grabbed a
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handful of vials and then he reached out to me and said, here, put these in a bag. >> and when you removed the saline bag from the i.v. stand, was this the type? >> yes, sir. it was at my eye level and i was able to notice that at the bottom of the bag there was what appeared to me like a many milky white substance. >> reporter: a milky white substance. remember, jackson liked to call propofol his milk. that was the powerful anesthetic murray gave jackson through an i.v. to help him sleep. not only was murray looking to clean up the drugs but he was looking for someone to help save his star patient. alvarez told the jury murray asked him to help revive jackson, who lay lifeless on the bed. >> now, as you came in and saw conrad murray giving compressions, what you describe as compressions, was he using one hand or two hands? >> he was using one hand, sir. he had his hand with had his
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palm open and he was giving chest compressions in this manner. >> reporter: the prosecution hoped the jury would realize dr. murray was doing cpr wrong, using one-handed chest compressions on jackson's soft bed instead of the firm floor. and there's more. >> he was giving mouth to mouth, sir. >> and what, if anything, did dr. murray say as he was giving mouth to mouth, to mr. jackson? >> i yrecall after a few breath he breathed into mr. jackson he came up and he said, this is the first time i do mouth to mouth, but i you have have to. he's my friend. >> reporter: in all the hysteria, alvarez noticed jackson's two older children watching if horror. >> they were right behind me, and paris screamed out "daddy." dr. conrad murray said, don't let them see their dad like
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this. >> reporter: in between helping with cpr and clearing out the drugs in the room, alvarez says murray asked him to call 911. on cross-examination, defense attorney ed chernoff tried to cast doubt on alvarez's time line, hoping to show dr. murray did have his priorities in order. >> isn't it actually likely that when you talk about things being put away it was after the paramedics came and before you went to the hospital? >> no, sir. >> reporter: alvarez told the jury jackson did not appear to be alive, even as they struggled to save him. he also said he noticed something peculiar on his body. >> i recall seeing what appeared to be a plastic bag or some sort of medical device like that, and it was on his penis. >> reporter: what he saw is called a condom catheter, something that would allow michael jackson to sleep for long periods and not have to get up and use the bathroom. this pokes holes in the defense
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theory that jackson got up when dr. murray left the room, downed eight lorazepam pills and returned and gave himself the fatal dose of propofol, not realizing the mix would kill him. >> randi, jackson's personal chef testified late this afternoon. what was in her testimony? >> anderson, she gave new details about dr. murray's behavior when michael jackson actually stopped breathing. she told the jury she was preparing lunch for jackson downstairs when with conrad murray came down from upstairz in a panic. she described him as frantic. he shouted to her to, quote, get help, get security, get prince, that's jackson's oldest son. what's key is she said dr. murray did not tell her to call 911 and this all happened, according to the chef, at 12:05 or so local time. that would be 15 minutes, anderson, before 911 was ever called, a critical 15 minutes. >> critical indeed. randi, thanks.
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digging deeper with san ji gupta and mark geragos both in los angeles. mark, jackson's security guard testifying and one thing that really stood out is dr. murray told him to put vials, pills, even an i.v. into a bag before anyone called 911. >> right. the problem with the testimony -- and it's obviously going to be up to the jury to decide what they're going to believe -- is if you listen to the cross-examination as well by the defense, it appeared that the story kind of was embellished or not told for the first time until a couple of months later that it did look like all of this could have been done in the short, compressed time that was described on direct. so it's going to really be up to the jury to decide, do we believe that, or is this kind of an after acquired memory. >> so the idea is, because several witnesses have told stories months later to authorities that they hadn't told immediately after. you're saying, what, that they
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kale up with new mel memories o that puts doubt? >> right. look, jurors are instructed -- they'll get jury instructions that tell them they have to take a look at people's demeanor, judge consistencies or inconsistencies, when they first told the stories, for instance. a lot of these people waited for months and months to tell any kind of a story whatsoever until it was clear that dr. murray had become the focus of the probe, i guarantee the defense is going to be arguing that. that does not take away from the compelling nature, if the jury in fact believes that it happened this way, of the testimony, but first the jury has to get over the hurdle, is this something that actually happened or is this somebody kind of looking through the looking glass of the prosecution's theory? >> sanjay, alvarez also said the i.v. bag that murray told him to put away had a milky white substance at the bottom of it. does that indicate anything to you? >> well, this is that same
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substance, the propofol that people have been talking about for some time, does have a sort of milky white, creamy white look to it. what is interesting about this is that this back-and-forth was this propofol, was it given in a syringe, which was injected into the tubing that was given to michael jackson, or was it actually more of a drip in this i.v. bag? at least from that specific testimony, anderson, even within that area they were going back and forth, but that milky white substance seems to indicate it was a drip coming from the i.v. bag into the tubing, not a one-time injection. >> mark, how much emphasis in the days ahead do you think the defense will put on arnie klein, the dermatologist? >> i think they're going to put a lot of emphasis on arnie klein. i think that that is, to them, kind of the alternate suspect, if you will. he's the guy that the defense has propp eped up as giving and dispensing and basically being
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michael's pusher, so to speak. >> giving him demerol. >> right. giving him demerol and pushing it on him and doing it under different prescriptions and the like. by doing that, unbeknownst to conrad murray, as the defense theory, that's what set michael up for his demise. >> sanjay, one of the things that surprise me most in the security guard's testimony was that dr. murray didn't appear to know how to give cpr, even saying that was the first time that he had done it. does that surprise you? i mean, a cardiologist who doesn't know how to administer cpr? >> yeah, it's very surprising and i think if you sort of put it together, he was doing it with one hand they said, dog the cpr on the bed, the problem with doing that on the bed is you're not getting the adequate chest compressions. you know, anderson, you think maybe he panicked and simply was not thinking clearly or this other thing that's been introduced, i heard in the testimony, that he already knew michael jackson had passed on. he was dead so anything he was
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doing was kind of for show, he knew it was futile to do anything. so i don't know which, but a cardiologist not knowing how to do cpr, it just doesn't make sense. it fails the test of common sense. >> mark, how long do you see the prosecution's side of this going for? >> well, so far they're actually -- it may not seem like it -- moving at a pretty brisk pace. i wouldn't be surprised if they're able to wrap this thing up dependencing on cross-examination in three weeks. then it really will being a matter of how long the defense case is. do they put on dr. white and how long is he on direct? and then what happens to dr. white on crosses? i really think the defense will turn on putting up dr. white. because they've invested so much in that opening statement as to what dr. white is going to say, and dr. white is the only person i think that can get around the elephant in the room, which is, can you give or administer
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propofol in a home setting at a standard that is kind of, according to reasonable medical standards, and that may be for the doctor but i think that is going to be the biggest hurdle the defense has to get over. >> sanjay, from every doctor we've heard from, that seems to be a no, the idea that propofol would be administered in a home setting, just stuns people. >> it does. i think dr. white is someone well known with his work with propofol. i think he would be really hard-pressed to say it was okay to do this in a home setting, let alone he didn't have monitoring equipment that was adequate, resuscitation equipment that was adequate that a patient was not monitor. even if you allowed the home setting, which i don't think he will, the other three things i think made it unacceptable by any medical standard. >> thank you both. p up next, the u.s. ambassador to syria attacked by an angry mob, new details on that. plus, an interesting letter
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we're back with a "360" bulletin. >> the u.s. ambassador is safe tonight after being attacked by an aarmed pro-syrian government mob. rocket ford was in an embassy van, the van was seriously damaged, the ambassador wasn't hurt. u.s. secretary of state hillary clinton called it inexcusable. it seems actor sean penn inspired hugo chavez to write a letter to mahmoud ahmadinejad asking for the release of the detained american hiengers. shane bauer and josh fattal were released from an iranian prison last week after 800 days in cab
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tiffity. chavez says he considers penn a friend and after they spoke he reached out to the iranian president. java lovers, did you get your fix? today is national coffee day, did you know, anderson? i know how you love your coffee. >> yeah. today was just every other day, drinking my cold beverages. this coming monday, we're launching erin burnett up front. i spoke with erin earlier and got a sneak peek. you actually started your career at goldman sachs. >> i know. >> what were you thinking? >> what are tyou trying to do, kill me here? >> that's what you were interested in initially? >> no. you know what's funny when i graduated from college i wasn't sure what i wanted, i thought about going to lieu school, i thought about the foreign service. they said, go work in investment banking because if you don't know what you want to do, you learn a lot of things, about business and economics and you can do anything. so it sort of was a sbring board
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and i did it and it was true. i learned a lot, loved it. >> how long were you there? >> just under two years. >> did you hate it? >> you know, it was all minors but it was very collegial. it's aa lot of other people right out of college who want to stay p up all night and work on putting books together and lugging them to meetings. >> did you get one of those huge golden parachutes when you left? >> it was huge. >> so huge you got to enter cable news. so the new show starts on monday. >> show starts on monday. >> 7:00. uh-huh. >> i hate asking people what their show will be like because i hate being asked that question. but what the show's going to be like? >> here's what i can say. "out front" is a mission statement. we do original reporting, go out in the field. >> you'll do a lot of stuff you in the field. >> as much as we can. i think that's what's going to define it. there will be stories we really care about, some of those stories including the economy, china, the middle east, and
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women's issues, too. >> cool. your first guest, do you know? >> i was nervous to say this, but -- >> is it going to be a single topic -- you're going to have a guest for the hour, or are you doing -- do you have a sense of how the show is actually going to -- >> it's going to depend on the person. so we can what i call accordion style, like you do. it can be shorter or longer. our first guest is actually going to be the secretary of defense leon panetta. >> cool. >> i'm very excited p it. we spent time traveling this summer getting ready for the show, we went to pakistan. perfect person for our first guest. >> you can catch erin's new show beginning monday night schaech:00 p.m. eastern right here on cnn. coming up, the interns suing because their unpaid internship didn't pay. the ridiculous is next. there's a big reason to lower your high cholesterol...
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time now for the ridiculous. tonight we're adding the unpaid interns for the movie "black swan" suing the studio because they didn't get paid. the "new york times" reports two interns who worked on the movie have filed a lawsuit saying they had to do menial work that wasn't very educational and now they want back-pay. one of the interns said he made coffee, got lunch, stuff like that. the other one worked as an
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accounting intern. he a's a 42-year-old mba that wanted to break into the movie business. he said, quote, when i started off looking for opportunities in the industry you, i saw that many accept an ugly straid off. if you want to get your foot in the door, you have to suck it up and get into an unpaid internship. would it be great if all unpaid internships paid really well? sure, it would also be great if my dog made breakfast for me every morning. when it comes to internships, it seems a few simple dos and don'ts. do try to learn as much as you can, do try to make contacts and then maybe don't sue those contacts. but look, whatever, if you want to make it in the movie business, let's look to the movies as guidance. one started out as an unpaid internship until the boat they were working on got attacked by pirates. >> hey, intern, hand me a
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capari, will you? >> on the rocks? >> i you need to speak to the man in charge, fellows. don't point that gun at him. he's an unpaid intern. noshgs i can't give you full credit but i'm not going to flunk you either. you're all getting incompletes. >> this is bull [ bleep ]. >> see, now that's a bad internship. they wish they could be getting coffee for natalie portman. i you think the intern experience is what you make of it, young people or 42-year-old people. just look what we can learn from the intern over at "parks and recreation". >> did you know that interns do more slacking before 11:00 a.m. than most people do all day? >> you want me to dial a number and then read another number out loud? >> can you handle this? >> no. >> as an intern, you can be all that you can be if you feel like it. develop real life job skills. >> p april, can you help meut

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